Freedom Lifestyle

Nomadic Matt: Travel Blogging Full Time and Post Covid-19 Predictions

May 21, 2020 Sam Laliberte Season 4 Episode 43
Freedom Lifestyle
Nomadic Matt: Travel Blogging Full Time and Post Covid-19 Predictions
Show Notes Transcript

Nomadic Matt is a full-time travel blogger and digital nomad who has traveled to more than 100 countries in 10 years.

Matt's New York Times Bestselling book, "How to Travel the World on $50 a Day", helps people travel more often, for less money.

Nomadic Matt (Matt Kepnes) was interviewed on the Freedom Lifestyle Podcast about:

  • How to monetize a blog in 2020
  • How the travel industry is impacted by Covid-19
  • Future of travel predictions post Covid
  • Sustainable travel as a Digital Nomad 
  • Tradeoffs of living nomadically 


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✨ Freedom Lifestyle is an online community and podcast series that empowers the movement towards flexible work. Sam Laliberte interviews remote workers, digital nomads and self-employed people who've pursued a lifestyle that allows them to work from anywhere. Sam discovers their version of the Freedom Lifestyle, learn how they got there and reflect on the impact its had. ✨

Nomadic Matt Interview
[00:00:00] Nomadic Matt - Guest: [00:00:00] The goal was simply - what is a job that could pay me to travel. Travel writer seems like a good thing to do. So my goal was just to sort of freelance write, maybe write guidebooks and just sort of, you know, do some stuff on the side so I could pay the bills to keep traveling. That's all I wanted.
I wanted more money for one more day on the road
Matt, welcome to the freedom lifestyle podcast.
Nomadic Matt - Guest: [00:07:43] Hey, thanks for having me. Fun to be here and talk about living a free life
Sam - Host: [00:07:47] I know that I've been following your content for a while and it's been super inspiring for me and a lot of my members of the community, so thanks for doing this.
Nomadic Matt - Guest: [00:07:55] No problem. Always happy.
Sam - Host: [00:07:58] The first question I wanted to [00:08:00] know is, thinking back to your childhood, your youth, or when you were younger, what did you picture your career looking like? Did you have a dream job or something you were aspiring to when you were younger?
Nomadic Matt - Guest: [00:08:12] When I was a little kid, I wanted to be an archeologist then I realized most of that is not what Indiana Jones did, So I ended up going to college and decided to be a history teacher. and so I went to school to be a history teacher, graduated in a recession.
History teachers aren't really in demand when a school district cuts their budgets. That's how I ended up in healthcare, just doing boring administrative work.
Sam - Host: [00:08:47] Okay, so you have had a nine to five job before. I was wondering if you just like hopped into full time traveler. What was that first nine to five job like and how did you know that that wasn't for you?
Nomadic Matt - Guest: [00:08:58] It was one of [00:09:00] those fresh out of school entry level nine to five things. I mean, I had no real love for healthcare no desire to work in hospital administration the rest of my life. It was just a job I got and paid the bills and it was decently paid, offered good benefits.
And, I just did that for three years as I. Figured out what I was going to do. And then that, that drew me into getting a master's in business cause I wanted to go work for like a renewable energy company. and then while I was working and getting the MBA, , I ended up taking a trip to Thailand, meeting a bunch of backpackers, enjoying, , the idea of travel more than anything else.
And so I was like. I'm going to go travel for a year and then, then I'll get a real job.
Sam - Host: [00:09:49] got it. And for you, how did you define real job at the time? Like I'm sure your definition of success and what a career is, has expanded throughout your journey, but what did you [00:10:00] define as a real job?
Nomadic Matt - Guest: [00:10:01] Well, I mean, I think whenever I say I have to quote on quote get a real job, you know, that stereotypical nine to five cubicle American dream thing. Right. Working in the office for the corporation.
Sam - Host: [00:10:17] it. Well, I know you're a role model for a lot of us, myself included. I've only been a digital nomad now for a couple of years, but did you have role models for yourself? Like was there anyone at that time living this lifestyle that you wanted to be living differently, or were you kind of figuring it up and really making I don't think I knew. Anyone who has lived this lifestyle and think this lifestyle really existed. but I had met travelers in Thailand who were just backpackers, and that was what I was into. I mean, I had read Ralph pots Vagabonding where he talks about, , the trip around the world, but you know, this as a lifestyle I don't really feel was even in the lexicon back then.
itself. Is [00:11:00] that when you came up with the idea for nomadic matter, how quickly did you start the blog after that first year of, I guess it was a gap year where you weren't working right.
Nomadic Matt - Guest: [00:11:08] Yeah, so I ended up spending 18 months on the road and when I came home, I came on broke. I spent all my money traveling. I got an office job doing temp work and I had a lot of free time and realizing that I hated it. I run the, that temp job was also in healthcare. I used the free time. I had to start my website.
You know, the goal was simply what is a job that could pay me to travel. Travel writer seems like a good thing to do. So my goal was just to sort of freelance write, maybe write guidebooks and just sort of, you know, do some stuff on the side so I could pay the bills to keep traveling. That's all I wanted.
I wanted more money for one more day on the road.
Sam - Host: [00:11:51] I love that. So it wasn't an essentially about building a career yet. It was just almost equal it out, pay to travel, get paid to travel, and [00:12:00] if you could fund your next trip, that was enough of a motivation for you.
Nomadic Matt - Guest: [00:12:04] That was it.
Sam - Host: [00:12:05] Was there a milestone that you hit where you realize, okay, maybe this could actually be a completely sustainable lifestyle?
Was it, you know, an an opportunity or a gig or a brand partnership where the light bulb moment happened that you realized this could be much more than just a side thing?
Nomadic Matt - Guest: [00:12:21] I would say probably like 2010, 2011 after I created the website, I went back to teach English in Asia and I did that for about a couple of years, you know, working on the website, teaching and really getting into sort of like online marketing and building up that, that income. But it really wasn't until about 2010 2011 that nomadic Matt was earning enough money where I just got rid of everything else and focused on, on the website full time.
Sam - Host: [00:12:47] and what's the timeline for that? So 2010 2011 how long had the blog been up?
Nomadic Matt - Guest: [00:12:53] I mean, two years.
Sam - Host: [00:12:55] two years.
Nomadic Matt - Guest: [00:12:55] I mean, in, you know, I mean, you're, you're saying [00:13:00] I started in April, 2008 by the end of 2008 hours making some money off selling links to the website, which was a thing back then. By the end of 2009 I got featured in the New York times and from there everything kind of moved forward.
Sam - Host: [00:13:17] sick. Okay. Well that probably sounds like a big break. What was the New York times feature about. .
Nomadic Matt - Guest: [00:13:22] Now people who make money, online.
Sam - Host: [00:13:25] Wow. Okay. . A lot of people start blogs now. Travel blogs would love to be doing what you're doing, but there's so much competition. I know there's even more than there was back then, but I'm sure there were other travel blogs and travel websites like you were a trailblazer in the digital nomad space, but you must have had competition for your blog
why do you think you were able to differentiate and stand out as well as you have in such a busy space?
Nomadic Matt - Guest: [00:13:51] I mean, back then it was, there wasn't a lot of people, so I sort of had that first mover advantage. [00:14:00] but, you know, I would say, you know, I spend a lot of time working on SEO, and so that really, That gave me an advantage in the sense that I was ranking high. and often people were like, I don't want to write SEO content. It, it, you know, not pure form of writing. And I was like, give me all the traffic.
we're now, everyone is like, all I do is create content for SEO stuff. And I'm like, no, you're going to have some stories in there too. so I think, you know, that really, that really helped over time. And so, I would say one of those. Then I also, did a lot of networking outside of travel, so I ended up on a lot of podcasts and websites for people that work in the travel space, so that, you know, really expanded my audience.
But I mean, I would say those two things, but it's really hard question to answer without sounding too egotistical.
Sam - Host: [00:14:51] No, I think it's cool. I think claim your, your power and what you've accomplished. I, I think it's super impressive and I know a lot of people are [00:15:00] wondering like, what's the secret? How did he do that? It sounds like your digital marketing skills. We're really, really effective. was that all self-taught?
Cause you said you did history and then healthcare, did you just teach yourself how SEO and keywords and backlinks all worked? Do you have a mentor.
Nomadic Matt - Guest: [00:15:14] I guess I had a mentor in the sense of like, I joined this, , I'm marketing like club. It wasn't like a core she paid anything it was just like. A collection of people who swapped links and stuff, but one of the guys that I was like, yo, Matt, why do you build all these stupid AdSense websites?
You have a travel website on a subject you like and know about. People actually read, you know? So that kind of really got me to focus more on the actual website.
Sam - Host: [00:15:39] Got it. And now this is something that you're helping other bloggers do, right? You have superstar blogging. Is that an online course or is it like a mastermind.
Nomadic Matt - Guest: [00:15:48] it's sort of like a monthly subscription masterclass where, you get tech support, weekly Q and A's with me, feedback on your blogs and strategy sessions as well as an information bank of [00:16:00] lessons or information
but it's really more about, I mean, information is a commodity these days, right? You can Google anything and find tons and tons of information. I mean, it's a fire hose of information compared to what was around when I started, so. Well, you know, the, the, the purpose of the course is really not the information.
It's about the, the access to myself and my team who are there to sort of help you make sense of the content plan and strategy, fix your problems, troubleshoot, and answer your questions. And I, I think you're nowadays, and everyone talks about mentorship, but it's not so much you need like one mentor.
Everyone is a mentor in some way. It's more about. How do I take all the information that's available in turning it into a useful strategy,
Sam - Host: [00:16:52] and have someone who's done it before. Kind
of walk you through that. Got it. No, that's good to keep in mind. I have my own online course that helps people start a [00:17:00] podcast, and you're right, there's so much competition that's free. There's even free courses on how to launch a podcast, so it's really access to you and the way that you can help them build out that strategy and draw on your own experiences.
That is the value there.
Nomadic Matt - Guest: [00:17:13] Exactly.
Sam - Host: [00:17:14] With that said, is there one tip or something that you would advise new content creators to keep in mind who might be starting out in the travel blogging space? Maybe it's , the medium that they should be considering, or just like anything that someone who hasn't even started yet should keep in mind
Nomadic Matt - Guest: [00:17:31] Hm. I would say when I began. You can just blog about anything. It was fine. Nowadays, I would say that, you know, to be successful, it's really important to like, pick a niche. You know, don't worry about a million fans. Just worry about the right fans. you know, having just another travel blog where it's like, Oh, I'm going to follow, or another website where it's just sort of about everything doesn't really work [00:18:00] nowadays because. There's so many platforms, everything is so fragmented, that anybody can get that sort of generalist overview as much better than just being an expert in like one narrow thing. Because you know, there's 4 billion or whatever, people on the internet. And so there are people that are going to want that narrow focus.
No subject is too small. And so. Focus on reaching the people who like what you like, and getting them rather than thinking, I got to get everybody, Oh my God, this person has a million followers. I'm never going to be that big. Well, if you have a million followers and 990,000 of them don't interact, then you really only have 10,000 followers.
So it's not so much about the size of your numbers, it's about the quality and engagement of your readers.
Sam - Host: [00:18:51] I think that's also very freeing and empowering for people who feel like they need to know a ton of other stuff in addition to what they already know in order to have a [00:19:00] successful blog, like I've even experienced that as a podcast or helping people, you know, live the freedom lifestyle. It's like there's certain aspects of this life that I'm an expert in, but you feel like you need to know all the options and you have to be an expert in everything and learn all this new stuff.
But what I'm hearing for you is just focus on what you already know, what you're naturally passionate about, what you're really good at, and what you like, and just have confidence that there's enough people that really want that exact thing too. And just double down on what you're already good at and passionate about.
Nomadic Matt - Guest: [00:19:28] Yeah. I mean, I think. Know, you outsource the stuff you're bad at and just focus on your strengths, you know? And then I think for a lot of people who start an online business, I see there's so many facets. and there's just, there's so many moving parts, you know, you feel like you have to master it all.
and I think of it like an engine, right? you know, like a race car driver. A race car driver knows how an engine works, but he's not the mechanic that fixes it. And so I think him being the business owner, it's good to know [00:20:00] how it all fits together, but don't do all of it. Do your strength, and then outsource your strengths to other people who do it better.
And then that moves all of these moving parts forward quicker.
Sam - Host: [00:20:15] That's a really , great segue to one of the questions I received from my community that someone had for you. It's from Scott. Stockdale. He also has a podcast called entrepreneurs can party, and he wanted to know about outsourcing because you have so much content on your website, , I assume you have assistants or freelancers.
How quickly did you start building out that team and your blog? how long was it before you weren't the only one writing all the content
Nomadic Matt - Guest: [00:20:42] in the early years I did have a lot of freelancers just like hire designer there, you know, hire a coder here and just, you know, just a lot of one off projects like, Oh, I need a couple of new banners. I'll get someone to do it. Oh, I need something. I'll get someone to do it. But I'd say it was probably [00:21:00] like 2012.
And a friend of mine who's a coroner decides to settle down. And then we started working more frequently together. And then in about 2014 I went from having a part time assistant and making the leap to a full time assistant, someone who were just really help, like do a lot of the busy work. And then from there, maybe a few years, we just sort of added on a new person in person.
So now we're, there's four other people besides me on the team. but occasionally we do hire like researchers, just like if we have a big projects, well, we'll bring someone else on board to just speed up the, the flow. So it doesn't take us forever.
Sam - Host: [00:21:42] do you like being a boss?
Are you a natural leader? Do you like that aspect,
Nomadic Matt - Guest: [00:21:46] Ah, I like working with people, but I wouldn't say like. I don't know. You have to ask my employees, but I,
I like things a very certain way. So in some ways I feel like it can be kind of [00:22:00] mercurial, but not like, I don't really feel like, I mean, I just have very specific ways I want things done.
Sam - Host: [00:22:07] That's fair. You know what you like. I can relate to that a lot. It's, it's been hard for me to outsource parts of my podcast production because I edited it myself for so long, so now finding someone to do it, it's like, no, you need to recreate my exact style. It's, it can be tricky for sure.
Nomadic Matt - Guest: [00:22:23] Yeah, I bet. You know, I mean, for the most part, as long as the work is done, I don't really care about anything else. So.
Sam - Host: [00:22:30] Cool. So hopping back to your nomadic lifestyle, what do you think has been a sacrifice that you're your biggest sacrifice? Cause I know there's many, and I know there's, you know, the classic answers. I've interviewed a lot of digital nomads and I have my own experience, but what do you think has been the biggest thing you've had to give up or sacrifice in order to be nomadic for the last 10 plus years?
Nomadic Matt - Guest: [00:22:53] I don't feel like I gave up her sacrifice anything. I think one of the joys of being nomadic is [00:23:00] that, you get to make your own life. I've been a while since I have like a long term serious relationship, but I had chances for that.
and I chose to travel, so like I made my own life and I. I really don't have any problems with any of it.
Sam - Host: [00:23:14] So it doesn't even feel like a sacrifice. You, if you wanted to have that, you could have, and you consciously made this decision and you have no regrets.
Nomadic Matt - Guest: [00:23:23] I have no regrets.
Sam - Host: [00:23:26] That's amazing. Well, one of my questions was then what's priceless about it? But I feel like for you, it's all wins. You love every aspect of it. Is there something that you love most about this lifestyle?
Nomadic Matt - Guest: [00:23:38] I mean, I would say like, I think the grass is always greener, right? You
Sam - Host: [00:23:42] Yeah. .
Nomadic Matt - Guest: [00:23:43] Is it perfect? Well, no, because you know your route list, you know, and you're always having to like make new friends and you know, there's, there's no stability and you make that trade off, right.
You say, well, does the good stuff outweigh that. And that's what it is. So, [00:24:00] I, I accepted that lifestyle and that, so, I mean, how can I be like, Oh my God, I wish I didn't do X, Y, and Z. I mean, I had a million chances to change and only when I was really ready did I did.
Sam - Host: [00:24:14] So are you slowing down, like you mentioned, rootless, like are you starting to put down roots or, I don't think you're full time nomad anymore, right? Well, I mean, no one's nomadic at, at this point. Everyone's kind of stuck at home. But where are you at? Are you speeding up? Are you slowing down? Has it been a consistent pace of always travel?
No fixed address?
Nomadic Matt - Guest: [00:24:33] a couple of years ago, I started slowing down. Now I live in Austin and I spent about a month on the road and three months off and then a month on month off. It's usually like my routine.
Sam - Host: [00:24:44] Nice. Cool. Okay. You have a book. That was one of my, this is how I found you, and I got excited about what was possible because I've always been a minimalist. I've never really been that motivated by having a ton of money, but I've loved [00:25:00] to travel. And you have a book that's been a best seller about how to travel the world on $50 a day.
So I wanted to ask you a question about that. When people read it or you talk to people about it, what do you think they're most surprised by? When. When it comes to budgeting and extended travel
Nomadic Matt - Guest: [00:25:19] Well, you know, I think we are, are taught to believe travel is expensive, is a luxury. So I think when people start to see the numbers and see all the ways you can travel on a budget or travel for free, they get surprised and happy thanks. In part to the growth of the internet and just, there's so much information out there now that all these things that you really didn't know until you got out there are now easily accessible to everybody else.
Then suddenly you're like, well, let's see what else I can do and not spend money.
Sam - Host: [00:25:55] So it kind of became fun,
Nomadic Matt - Guest: [00:25:57] yes,
Sam - Host: [00:25:59] a more [00:26:00] controversial topic that I'd love to hear you weigh in on is regarding the environment. I know that's a hot topic for digital nomads right now. Carbon footprint is often higher than the average person. Is this something you think about?
Is this something you worry about? Is this something you're doing anything about? What are your thoughts?
Nomadic Matt - Guest: [00:26:18] modern life is carbon heavy. but I think, yeah, I mean, yeah, my carbon footprint is probably larger because I fly more than the average bear. but. You know, , I barely drive. I take a lot of public transportation. I walk everywhere. So you seem to make it up, as you go. But I think obviously the biggest thing is, your flight is gonna have the biggest impact, but whether or not you fly is really not going to make a huge difference.
In fact, air travel represents like. 3% of global emissions. If you really want, if you actually like drill down into the numbers, the [00:27:00] biggest impact you can have on the environment is your diet. where is that food source and you know, just what you're eating as well as the transportation you've taken, you know, everyday life.
You know, if you're getting in an Uber all the time and it's not a shared Uber that adds up. do you take all the short haul flights versus like one major long haul flight? Because most carbon, emissions, happen during takeoff or landing. That's where you get the biggest burst. So , the average is more in a shorter flight.
Fly less often, but make sure there are longer haul flights and when you can avoid it for short distances, take buses or cars or trains, you know, watch your diet. And so I think when you're traveling, it's really important to try to eat local food, try to stay at local places. Even just switching off the lights, is, can go a long way.
Additionally. try to bring your own water bottle [00:28:00] waste is probably the biggest thing you'll create, right? So, you know, if you're going places and you're buying like lots of stuff that's in like plastic containers and you know, water bottles and stuff bad's gonna have a really big impact. I mean, we, we think about carbon emissions, but, you know, waste emission is directly tied to that too.
Sam - Host: [00:28:20] It sounds lik e you're pretty mindful of it. Like you've definitely thought about this and you just do as much as you can, and you've been at this for so long, so you kind of have your ways that, yeah, you know you fly, but here's how I try to approach it and here's how I try to lesson another ways.
And it's more just about thinking about other things other than just flying really.
Nomadic Matt - Guest: [00:28:40] Yeah. I mean, it's a holistic approach. Everyone gets caught up in this like flight shaming.
When you really drill, drill down into the numbers. Yes, if you fly a lot, you're going to have a bigger carbon emission than somebody who doesn't fly. But, obviously there are other factors, you know, in your day to day life [00:29:00] that affect your total carbon footprint.
But I mean, where are you going to do take a steamship and cross the Atlantic?
Sam - Host: [00:29:08] Okay, so it's April, 2020 so we, I don't think we can have this podcast interview without talking about Covid-19 and you've been public about the fact that you had it and recently recovered from it. So I'd love to just hear like how did having and recovering from it shape your view on the pandemic, were you taking it seriously before?
Are you taking it more seriously before? Has nothing changed? What can you say on that topic?
Nomadic Matt - Guest: [00:29:33] for me, I was just really like a mild cold, but it was like a really bad cold. Wouldn't say it's a mild cold. It was a really bad cold fever, aches, chills, that whole thing. So I didn't have it as bad as even some of the friends I know that have gotten it, or the stories you read about.
So from a health perspective it was scary because. I'm getting it. So early, men, they didn't have a lot, of knowledge about, you know what, it's, [00:30:00] it's going to be like, could you be fine? And then suddenly just fall off the cliff and ended up intubated. they didn't really know.
so I was really worried them about till about day eight or nine when the cough starts to subside. But I thought, okay, am I the words? but beyond that, it was. I mean, it made me tired. but it wasn't, it wasn't this crazy thing like you hear in the news a lot of the cases are really mild.
And if you look at people who are tested, a lot of them don't even know, don't have any symptoms. They're just carrying the virus. So the scary part is that, you know, if the range of of it is so vast that you haven't know where it's gonna be like.
Sam - Host: [00:30:41] One of the questions we had from someone, our community is the founder of a female coworking space here in Toronto. It's called make lemonade, and her name is Rachel. She wanted to know, because your business is so dependent on people physically being places traveling, even you being places, how are you pivoting during this time?
[00:31:00]Nomadic Matt - Guest: [00:31:00] I started this website in the last recession. I mean, we'll, we'll probably be in a depression, not a recession, but, so the idea that like, Oh, like people are going to be traveling on a budget is great. Wait, if everyone's broke, you know what? They're going to Google hi to visit X on a budget, and then my site's concern come up.
So yeah. it was like if people stop taking cruises or during luxury travel, that doesn't bother me. everyone always travels and budget travelers and backpackers especially are like. All right, well, there's no jobs. I'll just go travel. So in my like plan B, there was never a, what if nobody ever moves, right?
And there was no plan C that accounts for everybody and just being locked inside for three months straight. so, I mean, we're just waiting it out, burning through cash, trying to you know, do what we can. We've, we've pivoted a lot to, [00:32:00] we have a Patrion on now.
Sam - Host: [00:32:01] I saw that. That's cool.
Nomadic Matt - Guest: [00:32:02] So we're doing a lot more community events, virtual events, just creating more exclusion contents, changing our courses and, you know, and promoting that stuff. , we're preparing for the fact that when people start moving in hand, it will be very regional.
So a lot of the content where get getting in preparation for creating. is it like road trip stuff? You know, how to road trip across Canada to take a road trip, over the States, like 20 national parks to see, as well as itinerary stuff. So just really building up level or do you ask and Canada content, versus just like big backpack and stuff.
Sam - Host: [00:32:41] So last question, I want to be mindful of your time before we hop into the speed round, and maybe you don't have an answer for this, but everyone I calm that comes on my show, I ask them. What the term freedom lifestyle means to them. And the concept is that it's different for everybody.
Everyone pursues working online, [00:33:00] avoiding a nine to five, doing something different for different reasons. So when you got invited to be on the freedom lifestyle podcast, how do you identify with that?
Nomadic Matt - Guest: [00:33:09] I think, a freedom lifestyle is one that you build in the sense that you are the captain of your ship right. It doesn't matter if you work nine to five and you only take vacations to Disney land, or you know, you have 10 kids and you spend all day at home, or you're traveling around the world, you know, living your best life.
freedom is about living the life you want to live because you're doing it because you choose to, not because like, you know, this is what you have to do
Sam - Host: [00:33:40] Captain of your own ship. I
love that. Okay. Yeah. Amazing. Thank you for making time. We're going to end with a couple speed round questions. There's literally no right or wrong. They're just fun. The first thing that comes to mind, are you ready? Okay. When you travel suitcase or backpack. [00:34:00] Hotel or Airbnb.
Next destination on your bucket list.
Nomadic Matt - Guest: [00:34:07] somewhere in central Asia.
Sam - Host: [00:34:10] Favorite city you've lived in,
Nomadic Matt - Guest: [00:34:12] Paris.
Sam - Host: [00:34:13] most challenging country, you've traveled.
Nomadic Matt - Guest: [00:34:16] Madagascar
Sam - Host: [00:34:18] Beaches or mountains, sunrise or sunset.
Nomadic Matt - Guest: [00:34:22] sunset. I don't like to wake up early.
Sam - Host: [00:34:26] same and last thing, what are you finding yourself? Snacking on a lot in quarantine.
Nomadic Matt - Guest: [00:34:35] Leftovers.
Sam - Host: [00:34:36] Leftovers. Nice. Okay, well that's all I have for you. Thanks so much for coming on the show. It's really cool. I know I called you an G at the beginning. I'll call you again. Your trailblazer in this space even inspired me a ton, so thank you for all you've done to help all of us freedom seekers travel the world for less and travel more often.
It's super inspiring and yeah, I wish you a [00:35:00] happy and easy recovery post covid and a thriving business. Post covid, whatever that means for the travel industry.
Have a good day. Bye.
Okay, that's it for the first episode of season, four of the freedom lifestyle podcast. I am so excited to be back in your ears. I'm really excited for this season. I'm putting a lot of effort and intention into this one. Not that I wasn't the other ones, but I think if I'm going to still produce episodes three years later, we're into the fifties now.
Season four. I really just want to make sure that I'm adding a ton of value and keeping things fresh, and it's an exciting thing for you to listen to. There's so many other places you could be. There's other podcasts. You could be listening to other songs, other YouTube videos, blogs, you could be reading going on zoom calls. There's a.
A lot you could be doing so I really appreciate you taking the time and attention into my show. As always, if you have any feedback, hit me up and if you know [00:36:00] any freedom seekers in your life, please share the show with them. It helps me grow this community, and if you keep showing up, I'll keep talking so until next time enjoy. Your freedom